Neil deGrasse Tyson Says Trump's Budget Will Make Americans Sick And Stupid

Submitted by: kalron27 1 month ago Science

Tyson seems to have had enough of the Budget proposal and is using Trump's favorite platform to reply in tweet form. The fastest way to thwart Earth's life-support systems for us all: Turn EPA into EDA — the Environmental Destruction Agency. Tyson nails all of my concerns in 4 tweets...











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Male 1,639
this thread is a sinkhole but im please there are more intelligent reasonings going on to the positive
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Male 3,286
We'll see. So if he is wrong will he admit it?
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Male 1,639
trimble not worth the time.
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Male 6,417
trimble If he's wrong, he will.  Do you ask your current POTUS the same question about him being wrong?  If not, why are you holding NDT to a different standard?
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Male 37,253
trimble He is never wrong. All the stupid shit he says goes right down the 'memory hole' and his adoring masses pretend they never existed. :-p
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Male 4,942
5cats Yes that's Trump all over
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Female 3,382
this the same EPA that's poisoned how many water supplies across the US?
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Male 2,087
melcervini That's a bit of an odd statement to make. Rather than focus on a few lawsuits where the EPA is being sued for not being effective enough--often because it's been made toothless due to Republican budget cuts--why not focus on the tremendous good it's done through, for example, the clean-up of Superfund sites?

Superfund sites--typically land that was polluted with carcinogens for decades by industrial businesses that have since disappeared and left their toxic messes behind--are literally everywhere. If you look at the listing of Superfund sites online, it wouldn't suprise me at all if you find one or two within 50 miles of where you live.

True story: When I was first looking to buy a house, I looked at a relatively new development in an unfamiliar area. The houses were beautiful. As part of my research, I entered the location into the EPA's superfund site, and found that twenty years earlier, all of the acreage had been heavily contaminated with carcinogens by an electrical transformer manufacturing plant. From the EPA paperwork, I found the name of one of the lead environmental scientists who was involved in the cleanup and subsequent testing. He was quite suprised that I'd done the research and quite surprised that I was calling him.

"Do you feel the clean-up was handled well?" I asked him. "Do you think the land was left in a state safe for residential construction?"

"Well," he said. "I believe it was. We cleaned it up to the best of our ability. Of course, we didn't know that houses would be going up on that land so quickly. I'm not sure I'd want my two-year-old going outside and putting lots and lots of dirt into his mouth. But do I think the land was left safe enough to build houses on? Yes."

Not surprisingly, the Realtor who showed me the development, and who grew up in the area, claimed to have no knowledge at all about the site's prior contamination. In the end, I bought elsewhere, but not because of any concerns about the clean-up of the first site.

All that I'm trying to convey here is that the EPA does some near-heroic work in transforming horrible, toxic, carcinogenic messes into uncontaminated, usable land that can re-enter the economy and serve as the site of homes for families and buildings for businesses. I think the EPA is due a lot of credit.

Naturally, the companies that prefer to leave behind the toxic dumps of carcinogens and not be held responsible hate the EPA with a passion. I'm sure they're delighted at seeing the agency's funds cut and the appointment of an adminstrator who doesn't appear to believe in its mission.
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Male 251
squrlz4ever Well put. It will be interesting to see how the EPA deals with their huge budget cuts for the Trump Administration. Hats off to those folks who are out in the trenches. 
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squrlz4ever Thank you. The EPA does some fantastic work. When you plan on cutting their budget by 31%, it'll simply lead to more Flint situations. I honestly don't see how those that are making disparaging comments about the EPA don't see the conflicting logic in their idiotic assessments.

They're nuts.
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Male 9
melcervini *facepalm*
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melcervini 

1.) The EPA does not "poison" water supplies. Some of the water service lines were installed in Flint between 1901 and 1920. The EPA was founded in 1970.

2.) Cutting the EPA's budget by 31% won't fix the problem. It'll make it worse.

3.) I wonder what your political affiliation is. (Not really)
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Female 3,382
pleasestop Then why was a lawsuit brought up against them for poisoning the Colorado river?  And FYI my affiliation is the US Constitution and I voted for Cruz.
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Male 3,286
pleasestop The EPA is a joke, played on you by Nixon. It needs to go.
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trimble And who do you propose is going to insure water and land are not ruined by ruthless corporate development?
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trimble Pray tell. What is your suggestion for replacing the EPA then? 

Maybe we should spend more on our military. A new upgraded military jet would surely fix problems similar to the one Flint had.
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Female 3,382
pleasestop Speaking of Flint.. Their water has been poisoned since 2014.. what's the all-mighty EPA done about it?
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melcervini http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-lead-testing/

There are thousands of cities with lead contamination worse off than Flint. How do you people expect to fix this problem when the federal government isn't providing the financial backing to actually, you know, fix the problem? 

So their solution is, 

1.) gut federal funding for the EPA
2.) .....
3.) Profit?

Pardon my french, but that's some next level dumb shit logic right there.
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Male 2,087
melcervini Well, since it's a public agency, they make their activities known to the public. You can read what the EPA has been doing in regards to Flint here.
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Male 2,087
squrlz4ever Really? Someone downvoted a link that provides info on what the EPA's done in Flint? A link that was provided in response to the question, "What's the EPA done in Flint?" ~scratches head~
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squrlz4ever Because facts don't matter to these idiots
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Male 3,286
pleasestop You see, that is why the EPA was created, so that the government that funds and administers it can give itself and it's military (some of the Worlds largest polluters) a free pass but keep a firm grip on 'lil cupcakes that need their nanny.
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Male 4,942
trimble Yep Real Hard Working Men can live with their Marburo Cigarettes and their Leaded water. Leave the pure stuff for them there snow flakes
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Female 3,382
Male 956
NDT is an Astro-physicist that runs a planetarium. He is smart and entitled to his opinions. Until he gets additional degrees in political science, climatology, social sciences and so on, he should preface everything he says with " It's my opinion that ...." . We're all entitled our opinions and we're all able to disagree. I happen to disagree with him on his views but I won't stoop to calling him or anybody here on IAB stupid or names. To quote Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks, " Can't we all just get along?"
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Male 37,253
scheckydamon Quite correct! If he was just offering his opinion? he'd be no different than, say, Donald Trump! Who never gets attacked for offering an opinion, that would be wrong! The liberal-left values diversity over all, right?

But DeGrasse claims absolute perfection in everything he says. Any disagreement or even questioning it is stupid and racist. 
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Male 114
scheckydamon I was thinking the same thing. 

I don't know of anyone who sees an astrophysicist when they get sick, and no one wants a brain surgeon designing rocket ships. 

I worry when someone like this intends to speak about the entirety of such a vast field of work. It seems that NDT is leveraging his prestige in his field to overreach politically into many others.
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toetagmodel2 And yet you have a snake oil salesman who knows nothing about running a country as president.
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Male 1,869
barry9a BINGO
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Male 4,942
kalron27 ~Acks out white fur ball~ You guys forget One of the main studies in astrophysics is the study of the Earth and it's inter relationship with the environment. Where do people think models of exo planets come from or how Venus evolved it's high pressures and corrosive atmosphere? Models of differing planetary systems come from studying the Earth first
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Male 1,869
thezigrat No no...I was referring to barry9a 's comment ;)

Astrophysics deal with earth as much as it does with space.
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Male 4,942
kalron27  I knew that. BTW you wouldn't happen to have another cat on you would you?
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Male 1,869
thezigrat There is 5 of them around her somewhere you can have ;)
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Male 4,942
kalron27 Those five leave a bad taste in my mouth
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Male 128
scheckydamon IMHO if this was a serious post you would have prfaced with " It's my opinion that ....". It is easy to make up rules and conditions with someone we disagree with but it only makes more opponents and never solves anything. It also keeps people distracted from what is and has been going on.
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Male 956
taxidriver I thought everything, or most things, we post here are our opinions. I'm not an astrophysicist. I'm a guy with three art and music degrees who works on computers in a warehouse. I like to think that folks around here would think that IMHO is the preface to all the comments.
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Male 1,904
Relax!! 

This is what happens when a nation is in decline!

It's normal!

It happened in Egypt, Rome, and many other places!  So don't fret!

But this time around you have a new tool at your disposal!

It's called the internet, and it's great for organization!

So just remember, when you get sick of it, organize a gathering in continually growing numbers, to gather and do ONLY 1 thing: Chant these 4 words:
  • death
  • to
  • the
  • presidency

The rest is simple - Persist and win!!

Then instill new governance making sure to prevent greed and abuse of power happening like it did, (and hopefully a whole lot more nimble than it is now)!

Then call it a day! have a party!

Then wake up and move on for the betterment of humankind!

So relax, it's really that simple!  

And hey think of it! What an amazing chance to do something great in history, huh?  Can you imagine "they were falling and  organized to save the whole nation - and did!", what an inspiring tale for the future that would be, huh?

But don't wait for too long this is a limited time offer!!  

Free falling nations, like the other nations in history, end in a crash! And the time frame is: sooner or later! 

So don't delay, start today!
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Male 52
monkwarrior There has always been and will always be "greed and abuse of power". That is why the constitution limits the power of each branch. Of course that only works if each branch defends their power and doesn't let another branch take it from them.
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Male 1,904
johncourage Greed and abuse of power is a very limited time thing, although i agree it can seem forever from our points of view.  But it will definitely end. laws against greed and the abuse of power can be effective as hate speech laws, which, as we know can be quite effective.  A ceo will be very less greedy if they know that it could land them in hot water, and the effect will trickle down through the chain, better wages would too no doubt!!

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Male 248
monkwarrior I would tend to agree with your sentiment, after all every previous civilization to date has fallen. It would be arrogant to assume that we were immune to that possibility.
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Male 4,942
mrteatime The rise of any civilization carries with it the seeds of it's own destruction. The USA's is the election process and its Commercialism
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Male 248
thezigrat I think commercialism is going to be pretty high on the downfall list for a lot of countries.
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Male 1,639
mrteatime theres no use. move along mrteatime your intentions are pure but you're talking to a wall.
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Male 6,417
NDT has done nothing but spend time trying to make the world a better place.  As a science educator an Astrophysicist the guy has brains.  Maybe we shouldn't disdain those that can look at the world objectively?
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Male 3,286
normalfreak2 Objectively?
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Male 6,417
trimble Basing opinions on evidence?  Yea that's called being Objective.
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Male 37,253
trimble And make a ton of money, and jack-up his ego far beyond what he deserves...
Lolz! nf2 calling for objectivity, the antithesis of the DNC...
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Male 47
just another media favorite liberduche. scientist just suck off the teat of government grants then look down their noses at us lowly tax payers. what next? autistic muppets?
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boreddaddy I just love how anyone with a dissenting opinion is suddenly a liberal as if conservatives mindlessly agree with everything the government does. Just quit it.
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boreddaddy Yeah, this internet that you're using, it came from tobacco farmers and stockbrokers, right?
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Male 37,253
barry9a Al Gore invented it, and he invented AGW too... he should get the Nobel Peace Prize right?
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Male 2,087
boreddaddy Damn scientists, think they're all high-and-mighty with their fancy book-learnin'! ~rolls eyes~
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Male 163
boreddaddy yes, when "science" saves your sick kid....that sucks.....grow up science is your future if you like it or not. 
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Male 37,253
"wars are usually caused by disagreements"
"there will be more and stronger hurricanes hitting the USA" (before the longest recorded stretch of NO hurricanes at all of force-2 or higher)

He's an idiot, let's not bring his lies about Bush into it even, he's just a puppet the MSM likes to distract you with.

Here: "Our ancestors lived in the endless winter of the last ice age. Fear of bears, wolves, mountain lion competed for prey and grain."
 
Popular junk made to look like science. Since Neanderthals were the predominant ones living in Europe at that time, and most of "our ancestors" came up from Africa as the glaciers retreated. There were also plenty of people (humanoids of various types) living in mild parts of Asia and the Pacific back then too. Theory holds that there were also a few humans in North or Central America during the Ice Age as well.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/09/5-neil-degrasse-tyson-quotes-cosmos-get-side-eye/4/
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Male 248
5cats Man, you blasted me for calling Trump an idiot! You are doing just the same thing here.
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Male 37,253
mrteatime Trump is a self-made Billionaire... NDT is a populist entertainer, not an actual scientist any longer.

Both say stupid things, but one is not taken seriously, the other demands he be taken seriously, even when he makes up lies? He defends them to the max and calls people racists if they disprove him. :-/ He's an idiot. If Trump is an idiot and became a Billionaire? Why aren't you and I Billionaires too?? O_o
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Male 248
5cats So NDT no longer holds holds his scientific qualifications because he is trying to popularize science? 

Just accept that you have been called out here.

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Male 37,253
mrteatime Noooo. NDT no longer does anything remotely like 'science' and has entirely moved to the field of entertainment. He isn't a scientist any longer. He has 1 degree, and several 'honorary' degrees which mean as much as Trump's honorary degrees... 

He no longer applies (for one example) scientific method to anything he says, just "will this be popular" or get him ratings. So NDT says PILES of dumb shit, you deny that? He says smart-sounding stuff too, I don't deny it at all. But it takes a special sort of idiot to actually defend his stupidity like NDT constantly does.
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Male 248
5cats I called Trump an idiot despite him making lot's of money, you call NDT an idiot despite his scientific qualifications (his foray into the media doesn't cancel those out). You can see the parallels no? That's what I'm pointing out here, the hypocrisy.
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Male 37,253
mrteatime So YOU can make exceptions and that's OK. But I cannot, because that's wrong. I cannot point out the hundreds of very stupid things NDT has done, that's not allowed, but you can imagine PDT has been stupid, and that's valid in your mind.
Yes, I clearly see the hypocrisy, thanks.

And you honestly imagine having one degree makes you intelligent, wise, or qualified to pontificate on ALL areas of science without being questioned? Seriously?
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Male 248
5cats No point arguing here because you can't just accept that you did exactly the same thing as I did, make a generalization about someone. You've been called out and could just say fair enough but instead you flounder about exaggerating, making assumptions about what I think and generally being argumentative for the sake of it.

Enough said.
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Male 4,942
mrteatime 5cats It really does not require brains to become rich. Anyone given the money his da-da left him and an army of the best advisors that money could buy would most likely increase that original wealth many fold. The rest would be for show such as being seen publlicaly working hard for about an hour or so to show he "Earned" his fortune
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Male 248
thezigrat I agree, I'm just giving Trump the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's got a decent business head, but without his connections and as you say money from his da da, perhaps he would be far less successful.
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Male 2,087
5cats 5Cats calling an astrophysicist "an idiot." Just when I think we've hit rock-bottom.... *sigh* Life on IAB: It is what it is.
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Male 6,417
5cats Yea I'm sure "he's" the idiot, from the trolling commentator on IAB.  postings like this are an amazing look into the hypocrisy you represent.
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Male 4,942
normalfreak2 Speaking of liars Shall we mention the constant lies from the WH? Tap Gate, Inauguration crowd, Bowling Green, Atlanta Terrorist, Rain Gate, 3 Million phantom voters, Trump's assassination attempt, etc etc etc...
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Male 107
How would that be any different from what has been happening?  Do you think people are getting smarter?  Healthier?  You do not bring people into prosperity by mandating it.  
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just2talk I'm sure cutting these social programs is sure to make everyone healthier and smarter. *rolls eyes*. Certain government mandates state that the food you put into your mouth has to follow certain quality assurance tests and standards. I for one don't want to go back in time where we didn't have an EPA or an FDA etc. I like my clean water, clean food, clean air, thank you very much. You want better results? Fund them more, not less. 
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Male 37,253
just2talk No no! The US public school system is the best in the world! Also the least expensive too! And everyone knows 'Common Core' and Michelle Obama's 'One Lunch For Everyone' programs are such amazing successes! US students are always #1 in every category! And are fit and slim too!! (end sarc)

In other words: If it is broken, change it!
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Male 163
5cats no child left behind....
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Male 37,253
theman01 Bush's STUPID and very BAD plan, which many conservatives objected to at that time, and which B.Clinton greatly increased... yes we DO oppose dumb things from Repubs you know.
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Male 36
theman01 Funny how the meowman didn't mention how much of a shit sandwich GWB introduced with that program, huh?
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Male 37,253
Massacre75 Funny how I did, and so did a lot of conservatives. Why? because it's none of the Federal Gov'ts business, that's why.
And while it may have helped a little bit at first? It grew, as predicted, into a money devouring monster that causes far more harm then good. Scrap it, get the Feds OUT of the Education business, listen to the US Constitution...

And no, school segregation was not an "education issue" when the Feds (properly) intervened, it was a Constitutional Rights issue, which is Federal ground.
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Male 4,942
Massacre75 Pentakatza believes that  Republicans can do no wrong
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Male 36
thezigrat Democrats and republicans all suck equally. :-)
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Male 4,942
Massacre75 Agreed
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Male 1,405
just2talk

I worked with an organization that went to Africa to bring them clean water. One of the solutions they proposed was to provide a village with chlorine tablets. When you draw a bucket of water from the well, just pop a chlorine tablet into the bucket, and an hour later the water would be safe enough to drink. Every month, a worker would go to the village well, refill its supply of chlorine tablets, and educate all the villagers about its benefits. Month after month went by, and very, very, very few of the chlorine tablets were used.

They spoke to the villagers. Most just forgot, or didn't think it was a big deal, or didn't want to clean the water with chlorine, etc.

This is why every city in America tries to clean tapwater as much as humanly possible before it gets to a household. This is why the cities force the water to be sanitized. Most people will not filter their own water, even if you give them the means. A lot of things need to be mandated in order for humans to survive, prosper, and grow.

So, yes, entire civilizations have been brought into prosperity by mandating certain basic standards. Look at how China has been mandating certain living conditions and certain education standards in its poorest villages for the last 20 years. It's cruel, harsh, and they've taken away many human rights doing so...but the health, skillsets, and education level of the average Chinese citizen has skyrocketed as a result.
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Male 1,869
bliznik I would prefer mandates on education, health and environment rather than drilling, anti-muslim travel bans and wall building any day.
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Male 2,087
bliznik Oh, thank goodness (and I mean this sincerely): An enlightened comment! I am relieved to find an educated IAB'er with some wisdom and experience gained from travel outside the American bubble. We just need about 100 more of you on here.
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Male 2,422
Little secret...gather around folks.  Yes the government gets and wastes lots of money but that really has fuck all to do with your unique situation unless you are: so sick that medical costs eat everything you have or are so old and did nothing to plan for your future and SS is all you have.  The math you need to figure out how to plan you financial future doesn't go past the sixth grade.  Be an adult, get on a plan and live on less than you make and stop the fucking car payment and stop using credit cards. Stop giving the local mega bank all your fucking money! You do that for 30 years making 50K and you'll retire with a million bucks easy.  If you can save 100 bucks a month from 25-65 10% you'll have $589,000. If you can do that for 45 years you'll have just short of a million dollars.  Americans of just about every income level piss away 100 bucks a month no problem.  Short of tragic circumstance and acts of God, there's no reason for most to not retire a millionaire.  Stop thinking the federal government is going to fix your future.  
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Male 4,942
dromed Like in my situation? Medical bills with out insurance are over $7500 dollars a day for just one of several doctors I see. SS is all I have. I paid off my house, my car , my collage degree and had a high paying job until my accident and this new health care plans to cut most of the benefits that help pay for my medical expenses. And yes I invested wisely.
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Male 293
dromed $1200 per year for 30 years at 10% per annum is $197k.  Excluding, of course, the tax on your interest income if not in a sheltered investment.  For 40 years it is $531k. 

Mind you, getting an investment that will return 10% each and every year is exceptional.  Most investment advisors recommend assuming a rate of return between 2% and 4% above the expected rate of inflation (around 2%).  

Don't get me wrong - if you can get 10% you are absolutely off to the races, especially if you can get that growth tax sheltered.
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Male 248
dromed 100 bucks per month for 40 years is 48,000 where are you getting the 589,000 from?
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Male 2,087
mrteatime Well, that's the miracle of compound interest, what Albert Einstein called "the Eighth Wonder of the World."
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Male 2,422
mrteatime Are you so stupid you don't know what investing is?  Ever heard of mutual funds?  Roth IRA?  401K  ?  
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Male 248
dromed Don't be disrespectful, it's uncalled for, I only asked you a question. My point is that financial projections aren't always reliable and cannot guarantee the kind figures you noted. So yes I have heard of investing, funds etc. but I have also heard of funds crashing, banks going under, and recessions. 
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Male 2,422
mrteatime Spread your risk around.  Over the course of history over the long haul the stock market always makes money.  Some years you might make a few percent some  years you make 15%.  Diversify and ride the roller coaster. (you only get hurt on a roller coaster if you jump off mid-ride)  Of course there is no guarantee but so far investing over a life time steadily yields good results.  If you want a guarantee though, I'll give you one:  don't make a plan, don't make a budget, live beyond your means, run up credit cards and you'll retire broke as fuck.  Don't buy into what the banks are selling. (DEBT)  They know more about marketing than you do.  They have absolutely convinced 3/4 people that debt is the only way to live.  That's hog wash.  Make a plan.  Then when the bank asks you "What's in YOUR wallet?" you can say, MONEY!  :-)
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Male 4,942
dromed Not everyone ears enough to invest anything, it's called living expenses especially when you have kids and living on Minimum  wage.
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Male 2,087
dromed No need to be so harsh. Everyone has to learn this stuff at some point; some never do. Better to teach respectfully than to mock.
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Male 2,422
squrlz4ever Yeah your correct even for a varmint. :-)
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Male 4,942
dromed Yep he sure knows where his nuts are. 
Though mine are safely tucked in orifices  under my arm pits.
Hey squrlz4ever want an unsalted peanut?
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