Mike Flynn, Trump's Ex-National Security Adviser, Offers Russia Testimony In Exchange For Immunity

Submitted by: fancylad 3 weeks ago News & Politics

According to the Wall Street Journal, Trump's former national security adviser told the FBI that he'll testify about the Trump campaign's ties to Russia in exchange for immunity from prosecution.

And if I've learned one thing from gritty inner-city cop movies, it's that when a scared perp asks for immunity if he rats out his fellow criminals, it means that he knows he's guilty of enough espionage to send him to prison.

I kinda hope the FBI lets this traitor off on immunity to take out everyone else involved that worked with Russia and Trump's presidential campaign. 

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Male 270
this could be nothing. Considering the number of things you could land in hot water for while testifying, this guy might just be doing the CYA routine. Best to wait for the bomb to drop before you go around checking out the pieces.
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Male 2,382
I agree with punko - there's a big difference between being offered immunity and requesting it.

You can be offered much more than you actually require or would ever ask for, but he specifically requested it..after making comments about people who are given immunity.

Sure, maybe he's just not certain if he committed a prosecutable offence. Has he had that many shady dealings?
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Female 7,865
Here's hoping the whole rotten pack falls- firstly it will make great reading for months, secondly it might make the Tories a tad less gung-ho about selling us all down the river and lastly it might just save a few lives.
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Male 681
Here. We. Go.
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Male 38,276
1: Witch hunt in progress.
2: they WILL take somebody down
3: Make a deal so YOU are not the one going down

And of the 10 people in the Hillary investigation they did not come up with a single crime to charge her. But the republicans had a lot of innuendo, gossip, and spin to convince people of a crime that didn't happen.
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Male 1,011
there's a specific word for an organism that won't release it's hold from a ships hull, even if it's sinking....I can't think of what the name of it is. Can anyone enlighten me??; otherwise this will bug me all day...
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Male 5,723
buttersrules 
The Kraken!
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Male 4,952
buttersrules Gonikos?
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Male 4,952
buttersrules Hydrophobic passengers?
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Male 5,723
buttersrules Conservatives?
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Male 4,952
buttersrules CAPTAINS? 
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Male 38,276
buttersrules Barnacles and Biofilms ?
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Male 4,952
Didn't Both Flynn and the Dump both say a person only asks for immunity if they are guilty of a crime?
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Male 37,267
When they are given immunity, that means the FBI (or whomever) doesn't have much of anything on them, or else they would charge them, then make deals.
Or they are a 'small fry' and the agency involved is after a 'big fish'. But in Flynn's case? He was not even BEING investigated, his name came up in other surveillance and it was ILLEGALLY REVEALED for purely political reasons.

That is why (broizfam) it was unthinkable that so many obviously guilty Clintonites were granted blanket immunity, since there was ample evidence already in hand to press charges against them. AND they let the 'big fish' go Scott-free! In spite of her own words under oath that she had broken many laws...

It is actually COMMONPLACE to ask for immunity in these situations. It is (in FACT) not a sign of guilt in the slightest. Of possible wrongdoing? Maybe, and Flynn has said he made mistakes. So fucking what? That makes him a spy now? Voids his human and Constitutional rights>? 

More bullshit, right from the DNC daily marching orders.
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5cats My god you are a fucking idiot.
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Male 57
@_chamberlain if the quality of discussion on this site is ever to improve, that improvement must start with you and me. I realize that what 5cats says is inflammatory, bus his rhetoric is designed to simply stir the pot, not to elicit legitimate debate. Take a look at his post history, the man needs help, not ridicule. Sympathy, brother, sympathy and kindness.
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Male 37,267
AgamemnonTheGreat Thanks for speaking up about that Agamemnon! That puts you in a very rare class of IABers with some morality :-)

Wilt is just a sock-puppet for one of the IAB Trolls whom I ignore, and I ignore the puppet too... this is literally all he has to say in 25 of his 30 comments thus far.

I'll have  'legitimate debate' with anyone except the trolls I ignore, so long as they:
  1. actually discuss the actual topic
  2. stay reasonably polite
  3. do not cite 'Vox' as a source (lolz!)

Most IAB Liberals want nothing of the sort. They only want their own opinions blindly accepted by others, period. To do otherwise is deplorable, an act of war (in their minds) which cannot be tolerated to exist. Hence the relentless name-calling (see: please stop immediately below) which replaces facts and logic in their 'arguments'...
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5cats Go fuck yourself?
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5cats Yeah, except they rejected his request for immunity, probably because they have all they need to put him behind bars, the sneaky little weasel.
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5cats How do you commit a wrongdoing but not be guilty?
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Male 37,267
barry9a If something is against a 'rule' but not against a 'law'.
And the thing Flynn did wrong was to not fully disclose his history to his new boss, PDT, still the "meetings" with Russians were perfectly moral and legal.

Remember: one of these "meetings" was with 100 other Americans attending at an event the Obama Administration organized... The "wiretap scoop" had nothing at all to do with Flynn, it was routine surveillance. Obama changed the laws to allow the names of innocent Americans to be released in security documents (ie: not redacted) and then someone illegally leaked that document. At no time was Flynn suspected of anything illegal.
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Male 5,723
5cats Actually, I'd be very surprised if Trump knowingly had help from the Russians and I'd even be kind of surprised if his staff did. I wouldn't be surprised at all, though, if Russia actually tried to influence the election. But the DNC has nothing to do with this (Flynn requesting immunity) issue. Why would you blame them. It was Flynn who made that immunity comment and Flynn who has now requested immunity. Maybe you should be telling this to him. Or are you saying that Flynn is part of the DNC now? Is everything that bothers you now due to actions of the DNC? Clogged sinuses, painful hemorrhoids, that unreachable itch in the middle of your back...all because of the DNC too? Get real!
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Male 37,267
broizfam Accusing him of guilt because he asked is from the DNC playbook. The bullshit is both this post and the fake news it contains. Should be obvious if you'd have read it properly...
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Male 5,723
5cats My point is that he, himself, stated that immunity is the likely equivalent of guilt...then asked for immunity. Did you simply miss that part or are you just ignoring it so that you can go on blaming the DNC?
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broizfam Trump literally asked Russia to help him
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Male 300
5cats Except he hasn't been offered immunity.  It appears that he has volunteered his testimony in exchange for immunity.

If he was offered immunity, that means they need his testimony to sink other folks who are deemed more important.

ASKING for immunity, rather than being offered it, is an entirely different kettle of fish.
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punko One of the possible suspected reasons why he asked for immunity is the following

He asks for immunity, then becomes the fall guy, implicating himself and only himself to save Trump
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Male 37,267
punko THAT IS MY POINT! Asking for immunity is COMMONPLACE! it has not one single thing to do with the strength or weakness of the case being investigated. Or in this case: non-existence.

Thanks for the support! :-D
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Male 300
5cats 5cats - You only ask for immunity when there is something to be held immune from - a prosecution.  Asking for immunity is common among the guilty.  

My statement does not support your position at all.

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Male 37,267
punko AND COMMONPLACE FOR THE INNOCENT. Sweet tap-dancing Christ man...

The guilty also put milk on their cornflakes, do YOU put milk on YOUR cornflakes??? Go directly to jail!!
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Male 300
5cats No.  Just no.  No  one offers to trade testimony for information if they are not guilty of something that one would require immunity from.   The innocent have no need for, and would not benefit from, immunity.

Such information would be offered without hesitation and without negotiation.

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Male 37,267
punko NO ONE asks for, is offered or is granted immunity UNLESS THEY ARE GUILTY?

How can you be that fucking dumb? If this were true (and is isn't) then NO ONE would accept immunity because they'd be ADMITTING their guilt!

Many thousands of innocent people ask for and are granted immunity every year in various US (and Canadian) courtroom proceedings. Why? Because under oath one small mistake can lead to charges (in theory, it's rare though) so WHY would anyone risk that? 

What -exactly- is Flynn accused of? He met with some Russians at Obama's request along with 100 or so other Americans in a public place. Hang him! Treason!

This is a witch hunt, plain and simple. When witch-hunters are after you? Facts and logic do not matter. You being 100% innocent doesn't matter either! They will kill you or find you guilty, take your pick.
If there WAS anything like evidence he WOULD HAVE BEEN charged by now. There is nothing, unless you lower the bar so low that hundreds of Democrats are also "breaking the law" too... including Hillary and dozens of her staff.
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Male 300
5cats I will respond civilly which, apparently, you are unable to.

1) Folks that are offered immunity because they are guilty of something, usually either a smaller crime. For example, being guilty of theft as they were in the gang that robbed a store, but innocent of the shooting of the salesperson.  They might be offered immunity from being an accessory to murder (and the theft charge), if they testify and name the shooter.  They are guilty, but not of the greater charge.

Many notorious folks are offered immunity (limited or otherwise), and that offer has come at great cost to the reputation of the criminal justice system.  Consider Karla Holmoka and her immunity deal.  I can't imagine that crown prosecutor making that offer and not feeling nauseous afterwards. 

2) Flynn hasn't been accused by the authorities.  He is offering to testify in exchange for immunity.  It hasn't been offered to him (AFAIK).  As per (1) he may be offering to testify as he feels he has information about a greater crime or crimes, and he feels part of the questioning about how he has this information might reveal a minor crime of his own.  He may be offering his information if he is protected from his minor crime.

3) in 2) I am not certain, as Flynn has not openly discussed his reasons for offering this immunity deal.  As far as I am aware, no one from the authorities has openly responded to Flynn's offer.  It may be that they don't consider his information as important, or they don't need his testimony, they don't feel that his actions constitute a crime, or they simply haven't got that far in their investigation.

4) As for it being a 'witch hunt' as far as I am aware, no one has been charged ye.  As this point, I believe several different investigations are being conducted into perceived wrong doing.

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Male 37,267
  1. punko  No, not at all, that is a lie. Period.
  2. What? This is nonsense.
  3. Right: YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT and neither does anyone else. He might be guilty, a real 007!! But WE don't know that, so why these idiotic fantasies about him 'hiding something' based on the DNC Talking Points?
  4. You need to look up what that means, you obviously have no clue...
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Male 57
5cats  this person, punko, met all three of the criteria you listed earlier in regards to you entertaining a "legitimate debate" and you've attempted a rebuttal by calling him, through a mock-question, "fucking dumb". Shame, sir.
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Male 37,267
AgamemnonTheGreat "The innocent have no need for, and would not benefit from, immunity."
This is just plain fucking stupid, sorry Punko! Go ask any lawyer: if some witch-hunting prosecutor wants you under oath? Ask for immunity, demand it, or plead the 5th if you don't get it.
What 'mock question'?

Why do the innocent plead the 5th then? Hummm? Because they frequently do, and the 5th is IN NO WAY a sign or admission of guilt, ok? Same with asking for immunity: it admits NOTHING and is COMMONPLACE even for the most obviously innocent or unconnected person.

I engaged him in a fine discussion, I complimented him for supporting my position, what more do you want? :-p
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Male 57
5cats civility and an absence of ad-hom attacks would be a good starting point, but I'm not going to ask this of you. You're an adult, conduct yourself how you wish, you'll be treated accordingly.
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Male 5,723
punko Correct.
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Male 5,723
When talking about Hillary Clinton's staff getting immunity on the email issue he said, "When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime."
I say, give him immunity.
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Male 37,267
broizfam NF2 repeatedly said you are completely innocent until convicted in a courtroom. Yet here he is...

The point is that Flynn isn't accused of any crimes, none. One requests immunity since while under oath a simple mistake can get you into legal trouble. Unless you are a Clinton, then even under oath you can lie your ass off and never face any consequences.
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Male 642
5cats Yes...ish...  If he were being forced to testify (were one slip up could get him in trouble if he said anything wrong...even if he never did anything wrong) you might have a point. If for example he had issued a subpeopa, then perhaps one might request upfront immunity for fear of saying something wrong during a witch hunt.  Of course he would also have the option of taking the 5th every time if he was really that concerned.  

But that is not what is happening. He seems to be proactively trading his testimony before he is issued a subpeona.  If he is really innocent then he would not need to do this just don't testify.  Of course I may have missed the subpoena....
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Male 5,723
5cats I understand why people request immunity. Flynn apparently feels it's associated with guilt, though, and then requested it himself. Sounds to me like he feels like he's guilty.
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Male 37,267
broizfam Completely different situations. in one, the subjects were OBVIOUSLY guilty, here Flynn isn't even suspected of any illegal doings.

Who knows what this witch hunt will drag out? You don't go into such a thing without fully protecting yourself from malicious persecution prosecution FIRST and then testify second.

There are times when the 5th isn't applicable, as was seen in the Benghazi testimonies. One guy (at least) is facing charges now because he tried to 'plead the 5th' and refused to answer questions, eh?
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Male 5,723
5cats Yeah. Overall, I'm guessing it'll go nowhere but it has to be looked into. Again, though, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it were proven that Russia tried to influence the outcome. Somehow, Putin saying it's nonsense doesn't impress me.
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Male 37,267
broizfam Sure, looking into it is fine. That's what all those agencies and such do for a living eh?
It's the blatant 'fishing expedition' part that pisses me off. And the massive hypocrisy of the MSM and NF2 who defended Hillary's actual, self-admitted to Felony crimes but want to burn Flynn at the nearest stake for... something at least 100 others did with him at the time it happened.

Russia tried to influence the election, beyond doubt! China too, probably dozens of other nations as well. As the US has done to them, it's what they (spies) do!

The thing is, why would Russia support Trump? Hillary was their girl! Just like Obama, she'd do anything they wanted to, for a buck! Obama rolled on the floor on command for them, and Hillary was even easier to control, why on Earth would they endorse Trump? :-/ He might actually oppose them invading their neighbors, or something.
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Male 5,723
5cats "why would Russia support Trump?"
Beats the crap out of me. I don't know why anyone supports him. Maybe ask Vladimir!
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