Serious Question, Guys: Is the Trump Mentally Ill?

Submitted by: thezigrat 2 months ago Science

"A concerned citizen" puts Trump's past to clinical analysis to see if he has a possible mental disorder.
There are 93 comments:
Male 3,474
You have to be mentally ill to run for president. If not it will make you so. I think back to the ones I lived under, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama...  "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was." "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."
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Male 9
Definitely not mantally well. :-)
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Male 270
Not Crazy,Just stupid.
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Male 1,540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb2np1HGqxg
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Male 2,096
Bliznik may think that mental illness in a Prez is passe...tell that to all those dead because of Bush and Cheney. Cheeto is gonna get a lot of Taiwanese killed - no big deal, right(?) - pedaling 2 China bullshit.
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Male 4,358
handimanner A Nut with Nuclear weapons!
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Male 7,496
Trump is egotistical, brash, annoying and probably would have been my ninth choice for President. 

The sad thing is the Democrats were incapable of fielding a candidate that could beat him.  

He is not a politician, and I think that's a good thing.  We have too many Proffesional politicians.
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Male 4,358
normalfreak2 It's a sad thing that the Republicans couldn't field a candidate that could beat him
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Male 1,678
megrendel While yes, the Democrats foiled themselves, there is nothing good about Trump.  He is Corporate America incarnate.  And there is a difference between not being a politician and not having a clue how to run a country or have the ability to govern properly, Trump just so happens to fit both descriptions.  
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Male 7,496
kalron27 The point you're missing is the Proffesional Politicians have fucked up things so bad that Corporate America Incarnate was much more attractive then Lifetime Politician Incarnate.
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Male 1,678
megrendel no no my point was Bernie was the best for us all
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Male 7,496
kalron27 On that I disagree. While Sanders was a much better pick than Hillary (and had the Dem process not been so corrupt he would have been the nominee)I don't think his Socialist agenda would have been best for all of us.  I DO think he would have had a better chance of winning.
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Male 1,678
megrendel Enjoy your smoldering wasteland. 
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Male 1,746
megrendel Very true.
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Male 1,746
squrlz4ever I'm curious as to why someone's felt the need to downvote a simple statement of agreement. ~rolls eyes~

But honestly: How can anyone who's been awake the past three years not agree with Grendel's statement that "Professional politicians have fucked up things so badly that Corporate America Incarnate was much more attractive then Lifetime Politician Incarnate"? That was one of the most astute comments I've read on IAB all day.

Look, I'm an FDR liberal and I fervently believe that many problems can best be addressed by goverment agencies--and some problems can only be addressed by government agencies. But to suggest at this point that American government is functioning well? You've got to be on crack. The entire system is bought out by corporations, lifetime fat-cat politicians, and the rich.

Where I and the IAB conservatives part ways is the question of how best to fix things. Libertarians and conservatives think the solution is to dismantle the government. I think that's insanity. I think we desperately, desperately need to get the government working for the good of the nation and the good of the middle class once again. That's why I was, and continue to be, an ardent Bernie Sanders supporter.

Trump got himself elected because he was savvy enough to discern that tens of millions of Americans were hungering for a government that works for the common man. Sadly, judging by the many Goldman Sachs executives and other elitist billionaires he's picking for his government, I will be surprised if The Donald delivers anything resembling that.
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Male 6,167
squrlz4ever I up voted you because it deserved to be upvoted.
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Male 6,167
megrendel has a point.  The problem is right there, the Democrats were choosing Candidates instead of letting the constituents choose.  They had people that could have won this but you know they had to give Clinton her shot.  People don't like the politics status quo, and it's time the Democrats opened up the process and access to the party.  I know it's scary letting people in who may have different opinions than the Oligarch's but it has to be done.  
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Male 1,678
normalfreak2 My dad was honest in the end, he felt that Bernie didn't have a shot because he was too far out of the norm.  He was right in that the Dems thought like him, but unlike them he admitted Bernie would have torn Trump a new asshole in this past election.
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Male 1,746
kalron27 Amen. The Democratic Party leadership shot itself in the foot in the worst way. More incredibly, while the gun is still smoking, they're loudly proclaiming that they've done nothing wrong.
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Male 37,007
Hey, TheZigRat: Serious Question from a concerned citizen: Are you still having sex with baby seals? 
People are wondering, you know, given your past history, and it's just a question, not an attack or accusation eh?

Fucking unbelievable, he isn't even in office yet and you fuck-holes cannot wait that long.
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Male 228
5cats I know a psychologist (phd) who also echos the fact that Trump seems to have Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) based off what we've seen of him. So yes, 5cats, this is a "serious question" and one worth exploring. 
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Male 37,007
mrsnowmeiser I know a guy, whose cousin is an expert and he said Trump is the smartest guy on the planet, for sure! The science is settled!
Just because a BIGOTED person says the same bullshit, doesn't mean it has ANY more validity. That's a logical fallacy dude. It is still bullshit, now being said by 2 idiots instead of one.
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Male 4,358
mrsnowmeiser As I stated before I worked as a  Mental Health Evaluater  for 10 years and the symptoms the Trump frequently displays show defining  signs of Narcissistic Personality  Disorder and many sociopathic disorder symptoms as well
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Male 37,007
thezigrat Bullshit.
And again I remind you: even ASKING questions about Hillary's OBVIOUS health issues was "forbidden" remember? Even after the campaign acknowledged that some of the things "in question" were TRUE (ie: they had been lying up until then, covering up the facts) it was still not allowed to ASK how many more issues were also facts, or how the revealed ones might affect her performance as President. Forbidden!
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Male 4,358
5cats Hillary's health has nothing to do with Trump constantly  displaying classic signs of mental illness
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Male 5,633
5cats Right. Before Obama took office the Republicans were shrieking that he was Muslim, he wasn't born in the USA. We don't have that for Trump so we use something else. Or are you just trying to say that it's okay for Republicans to dis Democrats but not the other way around? It's the game of politics I guess. You're just going to have to find a way to get over it.
One other point, which I'm surprised you haven't made, is that you can make pretty much anyone look at least kind of off, psychologically, when you carefully pick your "evidence" rather than taking a broad look at the person as a whole.
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Male 37,007
broizfam Um, we asked where his Birth Certificate was, and he refused to produce it, as is required by the US Constitution. That has absolutely not one thing to do with this "Trump is INSANE" business, ok?

Barack's father ws a Muslim, by their laws (not ours) that makes Barack an automatic Muslim too. Since he didn't do that thing at age 13 (as far as we know, lolz!) he isn't a Muslim now, for sure. But he was indeed 'born that way'. 

And yes, literally ANY public figure can be 'scrutinized' by people who have never even met them and "show signs" of various illnesses... it just proves how weak the case against trump really is, that the Dems have to lower themselves THAT FAR to fling shit at him.
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Male 5,633
5cats Well you know, flinging shit can sometimes be fun!
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Male 5,633
broizfam By the way, you do remember that, once he did make his birth certificate public there were those who said it was a fake, right?
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Male 37,007
broizfam Yes broizfam, because it was a scan of one, not the actual one.

Obama claimed he had his certificate in a safe in Hawaii, but when finally forced to pony it up? All they could come up with was a really bad scan filled with 'artifacts'. There still is no record at all of him being born there, none, other than this one crappy scan.
If it were outright fake? I think it would have been better made, lolz! Anyhow, it's over with and in the past.
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Male 1,746
5cats Can we all--everyone, not just 5Cats--cool it with the vulgur insults? Please?

In the first place, when I come on here and read things like "eat shit" or "go fuck yourself," it bothers me a lot and I don't even want to log on to IAB for a day or two afterward. High school was a long time ago, and I have no desire whatsoever to relive the worst parts of it. Please consider that if you are turning the comments section into a cesspool, you are helping to destroy IAB because I guarantee many people respond to this revolting language the same way I, a squirrel, do.

In the second place, that kind of abusive language poisons the environment around here. It gets taken in by others, festers, and then gets regurgitated in other threads. In the last week, I have seen one user take abuse from another IAB'er, then respond with the same words, verbatim, in another thread. It's the opposite of "pay it forward"--if you resort to obscenity and hate, you've planted a toxic seed that's going to sprout and further the discord.

Please stop, guys. Rise above the vulgar insults. Please.
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Male 37,007
squrlz4ever I liked the old 'IAB Censor' I thought it was amusing :-D
But it's a modern world, can't have censors on everything, people just 'worked around' them anyhow.
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Male 5,633
squrlz4ever Well said.
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Male 4,358
5cats At least I am not a pedophile with a cat fetish. This concerned citizen is not the only one who is noticing the Trump's display of mental illness. Several psychologists and psychiatrists from both Stamford and Harvard  have written an open letter to Obama urging him to have the Trump psychologically evaluated before he is allowed to take office for he is showing not only classic narcissistic  personality disorder but also sociopathic  illness as well. 
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Male 37,007
thezigrat Fuck you. You can go fuck yourself right in the cunt.

I have nothing further to say to you, goodbye hate-troll.
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Male 4,358
5cats Just stating fact with out being a troll or telling to go fuck themselves . Fact 1 I am not a pedophile with a cat fetish
Fact 2 Trump IS frequently displaying both Narcissistic and sociopathic personality traits. Fact 3 Several Psychologists and Psychiatrists Did write an open letter to Obama calling for Trump to have a psychological evaluation before he can take office
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Male 37,007
thezigrat You can still go fuck yourself. Accusing me of pedophilia is unforgivable, fuck off and don't bother to speak to me, you are a hate-troll.
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Male 1
5cats the point is he shouldn't go near office, have you ever seen him in an interview?  
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5cats Go fuck yourself?
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Male 1,540
5cats for someone who screams bloody murder at so called personal attacks and insults. you are the worst dude.  yes we're all libtard cunts who should throw themselves off the nearest bridge i know and eat shit while we jump. 
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Male 37,007
rumham I have never once told anyone to jump off a bridge. if you're going to make shit up to attack me? Why should I pay the slightest bit of attention to what you are saying? 
Also: you are a hate-troll. 
So again, you make shit up and use that against me, and I'm supposed to care what you think? Seriously? When you've done the same and worse? I've never claimed to be a perfect angel, and I don't expect it from others. But there are LINES one simply does not cross. I've never crossed them.
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Male 1,540
5cats sure thing bro you are without sin.
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Male 4,358
5cats "But there are LINES one simply does not cross. I've never crossed them
Serious Question from a concerned citizen: Are you still having sex with baby seals? 
People are wondering, you know, given your past history, and it's just a question, not an attack or accusation eh? Fuck you. You can go fuck yourself right in the cunt." Now note I have never alleged that you sexually abuse baby seals nor have I ever told anyone to go fuck themselves nor have I said any of your articles were bullshit especially when you could look up the facts easily for yourself It seems like you are the troll crossing the line here

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Male 37,007
thezigrat Sex with a baby seal is obviously a joke, dumbfuck. 
I've never claimed to be perfect, and can be rude, yup that's true.

You fucking accused me of being a pedophile, you shameless hate-troll, and that is across the line. So don't cry about my level of politeness after you've done THAT. And also, I don't care what you think, just shut up already and don't bother trolling me, you are dead to me now.
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Male 4,358
5cats I never said you were. I denied being a pedophile with a cat fetish, How ever you project your desires into that statement is your own affair.
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Male 4,358
5cats I never said you were. I denied  being a pedophile with a cat fetish. How you project your own desires into the statement is your own affair
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Male 1,540
thezigrat careful zigrat you will be the next stalker cunt 
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Male 617
5cats You are dogshit

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Male 1,364
Meh, I think most famous world leaders are a bit mentally ill. So what?  I don't like how people focus more about bashing the guy and less on "So what should we do about it?" We can call Congress. We can spread hope and tolerance. We can talk about solutions that would actually help create solutions instead of destroying the progress we've made over the last 8 years. Telling a crazy person that he's crazy doesn't help anyone.
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Male 37,007
bliznik He's a (largely) self-made BILLIONAIRE! We should ALL be that crazy! :-D 
If he's insane, what does that make us poor slobs?
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Male 1,678
5cats Please, "self made" off of daddy's money, "billionaire" who is 3 billion in debt and cannot pay for the work others have done for him.  EVERY business he has started has failed.  Getting financed by China and Russia doesn't hurt either...
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Male 37,007
kalron27 Lies, he is not "in debt" since he has more money than what is owed. He "owes" about 300 million, iirc, and has assets over 3 Billion.
Again, if 3 billion on the plus isde counts as "failed" then I hope to fail like that too!!!
You cannot even get simple, easy to find facts straight, yet excpect people to take you seriously. Dude? Seriously?
30 seconds + search engine = you are dumb incorrect.
 
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Male 7,496
kalron27 See, there's this thing called 'research' you need to try.  Not even his most ardent protractors can claim even a majority failed.  Because the facts are that he is successful more often then he fails.

You know...facts.
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Male 1,364
megrendel Ask, and you shall receive.

Of course, this depends wholly on what you mean by "failing." I'd say making less than the S&P500 is failing. 

If, by the world "failing," you mean making more than you invested, then you are correct. Trump succeeded.

Two different ways to interpret the same information. Which is why people keep bickering about whether or not Trump was a successful businessman.
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Male 7,496
bliznik So, typically, you deem his businesses 'failed' by using your own, very strict, definition of failure.

Convenient. (and very liberal of you).
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Male 1,364
megrendel WTH are you smoking? As I stated, there are several metrics. "Failure" can be designated as making less than investments, making less than inflation, making less than the initial cash value, and everything in between.

I told you that I understand all of that, and adopted a definition after looking at all of the data. But a different definition will provide a different answer. That is OK. Two different answers to the same question depending upon how you define "failure."

You conservatives are the ones who tend to state that only your strict, definition is the correct one. Earlier, you claimed that only your definition is fact, and all other definitions aren't supported by "research."

Way to use your hypocrisy to project your own close-minded attributes onto a person who disagrees with you.
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Male 7,496
bliznik Hypocrisy?  There are over 22 Million businesses in the US.  According to you, 99.998% of them are failures because they don't meet up with YOUR standards of success.  

I'll take your hypocrisy and raise you your delusion.  

 a different definition will provide a different answer.

As I said, change the definition to meet your need. You stretched the definition of 'failure' exponentially past any reasonable consideration of the definition.
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Male 1,364
megrendel Oh, I see what you've done. You just reworded my sentence in order to provide yet a different answer

I never stated that a majority of businesses should make more than 10% of their investment. A great majority of businesses lose money and even fail. That is a well-known fact. 

I stated that Trump failed as a businessman by making less money than if he had simply invested it. Ask anyone who graduated from Business School. They'd probably tell you the same thing.

That was clever though, it took me a little while to figure out what you did. You could get a job working for Tomi Lahren.
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Male 7,496
bliznik I didn't reword anything.

I'd say making less than the S&P500 is failing. 


Ergo, you consider the vast majority of businesses out there failing.
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Male 1,364
megrendel Oh OK, so you took a sentence and removed it from the context of the entire paragraph which discusses Trump's entire business career, and attached it to a single business. That's...better?
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Male 7,496
bliznik I think you're confused, or trying  to wiggle out of an argument you lost when you entered into it.

I mentioned ALL of his businesses, (because idiot said EVERY business he has started has failed.) See, EVERY, Plural...as in ALL.

And then you brought up making less than S&P 500 is YOUR definition of failing.   I believe you exact words were: I'd say making less than the S&P500 is failing.

And somehow you determine I 'attached to a single business' when I did no such thing?  The entire fucking conversation has been about ALL of Trump businesses and ALL of the businesses in the US.

At no point did I single out a single of either.

Please attempt to pay attention. 

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Male 1,364
Hypocrisy?  There are over 22 Million businesses in the US.  According to you, 99.998% of them are failures because they don't meet up with YOUR standards of success.  
Read your own words. You linked my definition of failing towards each one of those businesses (which, I don't even know where this stat came from, was it made up?) instead of Trump's career as a businessman. All his businesses.

Also, stop cussing. Throwing a tantrum online doesn't make you right.
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Male 7,496
bliznik Pleas re-read you own posts:

attached it to a single business

You said a single business, not every single business

And I correctly pointed out that there are over 22 million businesses in the US, which would mean there are about 21,999,500 NOT on the S&P 500.  And that 'stat' is easily looked up. There's this thing called the United States Census Bureau.  They are a veritable gold-mine of data.  These numbers were from the 2014 Statistics of U.S. Businesses Annual Data Tables by Establishment Industry.  If you would bother to check into it you would not that this report denotes 22,662,938 businesses in the United States. (I rounded down to keep it simple) 

I realize facts are an anathema to your argument, but there's no excuse for ignoring them.
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Male 1,364
megrendel Ah, OK, I see what you mean. I should have written "you took a sentence and removed it from the context of the entire paragraph which discusses Trump's entire business career, and attached it to every business as a whole irrespective of common ownership." You're right, that was sloppy of me.

...and now I understand what you were doing with the whole S&P500 thing, but that's an inaccurate analogy. The S&P500 isn't the 500 most profitable businesses in the United States. There are plenty of businesses that are not in the S&P500 that made their owners way more $$$ than the S&P500 average. That's why I thought that number was made up. Your wording "99.998% of them are failures" made it sound like 99.998% of business owners made less than the S&P500 average ROI. Which is ludicrous. I know a lot of entrepreneurs who would never take a chance on creating another business if their average ROI was less than the S&P average.

At any rate, I think we both know where the other is coming from. You think that Trump was a successful businessman since he made more $$$, overall, than he lost. I think that Trump was a failure as a businessman since he made less $$$, overall, than he would have made if he had just invested it. The rest is arguing over semantics.

I do find your little digs at the end of each post about me ignoring facts or that I don't pay attention a bit childish. I think that we can disagree about stuff without resorting to insults.
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Male 1,678
megrendel See @ comment below.
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Male 4,358
megrendel 4 Bankruptcies and counting, Most of his business successes were ones he had almost no involvement in
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Male 1,540
5cats yes cause there have never been any batshit crazy rich guys right?!?! poor 5craps thinks his brand of crazy should make him a millionare... dude move to the usa maybe trump will make you a esteemed member of his batshit tribe?!?!
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Male 1,255
If he isn't then his voters are. 
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Male 37,007
lalapancakes So now 48% of Americans are "mentally ill" in your books? Nice! They should all have their rights taken away ASAP so the next election goes as your Elites tell them it ought to go. SMH...
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Male 6,167
5cats ~55% of the voting public voted.  Of that Trump got ~24%  Clinton received ~28%  The remaining went to 3rd parties.  Only roughly 1/4 of the Country voted for him.  
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Male 37,007
normalfreak2 No, not even close. But at least you weren't rude.

Excuse my TINY error: 48% of American VOTERS is clearly what I was referring to. Obviously children didn't vote for him...

And it was 46.1% and not 48%... big deal, the sentiment remains valid and unchanged. He's calling "many millions" of Americans mentally ill, 62 million Americans to be precise, almost HALF of those who voted. Yes, that's about 25% of those in the total population who were eligible to vote, correct, so you agree with me then. Good.
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Male 1,746
normalfreak2 Whoah, those are interesting stats. Thanks.
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Male 37,007
squrlz4ever Except, you know, he's wrong. At least according to Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016
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Male 6,167
5cats You could have scrolled down one comment and seen all the stats I posted and their sources.  
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Male 1,746
thezigrat Interesting data. Thanks, again.
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Male 7,496
normalfreak2 And yet, Clinton lost....
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Male 6,167
megrendel I'm not disagreeing with you, just correcting 5cats.
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Male 1,540
5cats 48 percent?!?!
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Male 209
He's 70 and acts like a child, not the best sign that he's a well balanced individual.
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Male 1,678
The fact that he can't shut up on Twitter like he's a 14 year old girl is proof enough...I don't need a 25 min video to tell me that ;)  
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Male 1,540
kalron27 take away his cell phone i bet he stomps around the room. then slams his door and listenes to ted nugent on full blast
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Male 1,678
rumham Ouch...*coffee out of nose*...giggle giggle giggle
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Male 115
Unrealistic goals? Dude's the pres. Can't stand this conceited approach towards people. Telling someone that they have no real friends? You gonna be the one to do it? It's a load of crap, atleast some people really seem to like the guy. Maybe he hasn't had his feet on the ground in atleast a couple decades, but whatever he's doing, it's genuinely affected a good number of Americans. Think of those pictures him sat next to the Clintons, if you can make that old bag laugh, you're not packing nothing in the personality department.
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Male 37,007
thething911 Well said, unlike the garbage the Trump-haters spew out.

How can Trump's goal to become President be considered "unrealistic"? He WON! Lolz! 
It takes a lot of ego for ANY politician to run for office, especially the Presidency, they all appear somewhat narcissistic, it's part of the job eh?
He has friends, many of them. He has his ups and downs, he's human. He's quick and sharp in the mind, unlike the lies spread endlessly. Compare him to leading Dems: Obama, Hillary, Biden, Pelosi? He can talk rings around them all... and do so without a teleprompter dictating his every word! Lolz!
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Male 4,358
thething911  Caligula:"Unrealistic goals? Dude's He's the Emperor.  At least some people really seem to like the guy. Maybe he hasn't had his feet on the ground in at least a couple decades, but whatever he's doing, it's genuinely affected a good number Romans."
Hitler:"Unrealistic goals? Dude's He's the Fuhrer.  At least some people really seem to like the guy. Maybe he hasn't had his feet on the ground in at least a couple decades, but whatever he's doing, it's genuinely affected a good number Germans."
Two shinning examples of sanity right there. The Trump is frequently showing far too many symptoms of at least one mental illness according to the Diagnostic And Statistical Manual for Mental Illness - 5th Edition.

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Male 37,007
thezigrat Unbelievable bullshit...
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Male 4,358
5cats READ THE FUCKING DSM-V  FOR YOURSELF! That is the current standard for diagnosing mental illness.
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Male 37,007
thezigrat You cannot diagnose a person you have never even met. That's like Rule #1 in psychiatry, dim-wit.
ANYONE can be seen to "have mental issues" if you CHERRY PICK various clips to deliberately make them seem ill, it is so transparently biased it is pathetic. As are you.
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Male 1,540
5cats this is what happens when you live and breath politics 24/7 like 5cats does.. it eats your soul slowly. where you have no joy except the joy in making a "point" or showing someone up with "facts" go fly a kite or jack it to anime or sing a song. no wonder why you're batshit. you live trump/am radio 24/7
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Male 1,540
5cats only to your sad deflected mind
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Male 37,007
rumham This? From a spam-troll? Lolz! You think I worry about what you think? Hahahaha! So funny... except you probably actually believe it. That's so sad.
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Male 1,800
If he is it's a reflection of the nation, if not it's not a reflection of the nation.
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