China's Militant Atheists Are Committing Atrocities Again [Pic+]

Submitted by: monkwarrior 10 months ago News & Politics
[caption id="attachment_194926" align="aligncenter" width="600"]In this Monday, April 11, 2016 photo, a man walks past a worker smoking on a bulldozer parked by a construction site at the Central Business District in Beijing. China will remain the main driver of growth in Asia this year despite its prolonged slowdown, helped by sustained expansions in other developing countries in the region, the World Bank said Monday. (AP Photo/Andy Wong, File) In this April 11, 2016 photo, a man walks past a worker smoking on a bulldozer parked by a construction site at the Central Business District in Beijing.[/caption]

Two members of a Chinese demolition team buried a church leader and his wife alive when the couple tried to stop the bulldozing of their church. Though the church leader managed to escape, his wife suffocated to death before she could be freed.

From Time magazine:

Li Jiangong and his wife Ding Cuimei stood in front of the bulldozer in a last-ditch protest. A government-backed firm had ordered the demolition of the small church they ran in Zhumadian, in eastern China’s Henan province, on April 14. In the end, the workmen simply ran over the couple, burying them in a deep pit. Li somehow managed to dig himself out, according to the religious-advocacy group China Aid, but Ding suffocated in the dark earth.

“Bulldozing and burying alive Ding Cuimei, a peaceful and devout Christian woman, was a cruel, murderous act,” said China Aid president Bob Fu in a statement. “This case is a serious violation of the rights to life, religious freedom and rule of law.”

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Male 585
we should have never forced them to open up to the world. Pandoras box for real
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Male 1,122
I agree, you can call it a belief but it is not the same as a belief in religion. Most people don't act on a non-belief unless someone else is pushing their belief down your throat. I don't think there is an invisible unicorn therefore I change nothing. Larry thinks there is an invisible unicorn therefore he won't let me crap in that bathroom. I have to convince Larry that Larry is an idiot. Sure, its my belief versus your belief but how bout we keep the burden of proof on the exceptional claim that has litle objective proof to validate that claim?
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Male 37,007
It has nothing to do with "burden of proof" it's about what YOU believe! Not others. YOU can be Unicorn Atheist but that changes Larry's beliefs how exactly? It does not alter his beliefs at all. >>> As for the bathroom? That has nothing to do with YOUR faith in Unicorns (or lack thereof) but does have to do with Larry's! You can crap there without issue, it is Larry who has the issues! See it now?
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Male 1,122
@5Cats, just because you don't believe there is an invisible unicorn in your bathroom that watches you poop, doesn't mean you are following a religion. Yes it's true you don't believe that to be true but I lose how that becomes important if you apply to gods. In fact I would say all of us believe there is no invisible unicorn in our bathrooms but we all don't act as an anti invisible unicorn group...
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Male 37,007
Do I have a belief about Invisible Unicorns? Yes: I do not believe in them. A NON-belief is a FORM of believing. Thus a non-belief about God (or any other aspect of religion) is a FORM of believing in God! See it now? It's two sides of the same coin: they are, for MOST purposes, identical. Minor details like wiping your ass with your left hand only or not eating meat on Friday are trivialities. I'm talking about the "big picture" of over-arching belief in, or denial of, religion. Or God, take your pick ;-) Or >>>Try this: My belief about Invisible Unicorns is that they do not exist. How does that work? Atheist DO HOLD a belief ABOUT God & religion, that belief is denial, but it's still "a belief" ok?
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Male 5,620
@5Cats - if I may interject here, and maybe provide emphasis. I have certain ancient beliefs I hold true, that ancient Hebrews believed in. However, you would not find out about these beliefs unless you studied for a multitude of years. In fact, most Rabbis do not know about them. They are traditions that are so old, that unless you have an advanced degree in religion (like myself), you would probably NEVER learn about them. I am not going to tell you about them. There is absolutely NO WAY you will learn about them. By your argument, you MUST have a belief system regarding them, as it MUST be part of your religious views. Care to explain your position in not believing in those particular practices?
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Male 37,007
Yes: Agnostic: unknown. Easy a Pi dude. Glad I could help?
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Male 5,620
No, you are postulating that one MUST have a belief system involved. Just saying "I dunno" doesn't cut it. I need to know why, and all the other details. Please explain your belief system in regards to the thing I refuse to explain to you.
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Male 43
5cats. Saying a non beleive is a believe has the unfortunate side effect of shifting the burden of proof so that both sides need to prove thier position. As it is practically impossible to disprove something to a gnostic standpoint, i would advise that this statement that disbelief is a believe would cause issues in any acedemic debate and should be avoided. Setting that aside for the moment, (although i welcome a rebuttle) would you call your lack of beleive in the invisible unicorn a religion? By extension, if I believe my right foot is the yet not dead reincarnation of JRR Martin, would your lack of belief in this be a religion? I understand this may be a bit of reductio ad absurdum but I beleive the logic still stands. Thoughts?
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Male 37,007
one47master: Because "believing God doesn't exist" is, defacto, a belief. It's right there dude!! I linked the dictionary, read it. Agnostic: no belief, not sure, unknown. Atheist: denial of a deity's existence. Denial = a form of belief. >>> In the question of the Religious Nature of that invisible unicorn? Yes, I'd be a Unicorn Atheist, I do not believe it exists. If it were a biology or cryptozoology discussion? That's an entirely different subject. >>> I've been VERY PRECISE in my words: Atheism is a belief ABOUT religion, ok? Just as Catholicism is a BELIEF about it too. Same thing! PRACTICALLY interchangeable: belief ABOUT or belief IN. It depends on the topic to some degree of course, they are not "identical" obviously! >>> Now: Atheism is indeed the Official Religion of China, if you have issues with that? Go talk to Beijing. ;-) It isn't my doing!
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Male 43
Ok, I disagree with you regarding belief/non belief, but let's assume you're correct. Do you think that all positions of not believing in something is a religion? Also just for fun, I would more readily agree with the OED rather than Webster's. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/atheism Just to reiterate, the burden of proof lies with the person who believes on something. Saying a non belief is a belief shifts that burden to which the argument becomes null as one cannot disprove most thingd
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Male 286
I wonder if @5Cats and @elkingo finished to this story. It fits so perfectly in their narrow-minded worldview, where everything fits in neat little boxes. Godless, remorseless "atheists?" Check! Dirty commies? Check! Christian oppression? Check!... Overarching generalizations validated! *splooge*
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Male 5,620
@pirhomaniak - Thank you for lumping me in a group you created in your mind. */sarcasm* I would have you know that I not only read this story, I also googled other versions of it for comparison. I did not blame atheism, and in fact, on this thread, you will see I support the idea that it was more about political motivation and xenophobia of Chinese communists. The fact is, this was an atrocity. Why it happened, whether socio-political, or religious vrs anti-religious reasoning was not really touched on by myself. When you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME.
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Male 500
Convincing the Chinese that Christians are peace loving, positive people is sort of like trying to convince most Americans than the Nazis just want to have an intelligent discourse. Regardless of how it happens, nothing good has ever come of it and a lot of people always die.
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Male 3,315
I don't think that "China’s Militant Atheists Are Committing Atrocities Again." I think "China’s Government is Committing Atrocities Again." Big difference. The guy didn't do this to this poor couple on his own. He wasn't some "militant atheist" out to stop Christianity. He was a government worker doing what he was told to do. No less atrocious, but let's give credit where credit is due.
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Male 37,007
The Official Religion of Chixa is Atheism. It's not what we say, it's their policy! Of course it's really all about Government abuse, all Communist nations do the same thing! Crack-down on ANYONE who believes anything different than the Party Line. >>> Of course this bulldozer guy is "just doing his job" ...just like the guards at Treblinka... >>> Note: This applies even MORE to Ixlam because the religion IS THE government in a Muxlim country. There is NO "separation" of church and state: the church IS THE state, and vice-era. All spelled out in the Koran.
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Male 3,315
As others have said, Atheism isn't a religion. It's a lack of belief in any god. And yes, it's a government policy, which was my point. And I did say it the guy was "just doing his job," but I also said it was, "No less atrocious." My point is that there isn't a group of people in China using militant techniques to stamp out religion. There's a government using militant techniques to stamp out religion. You can say things like, "China’s Militant Atheists" because it implies that there are a Chinese people, outside of the government, going around killing people because they believe in a god. Like ISIS or something. And that's just not the case.
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Male 37,007
Oh I agree, it's the Government not the "will of the people" eh? But the Official Government Religion is Atheism. That's the only belief system "allowed" under their Communist Dictatorship. >>> Of course people still hold other religious beliefs, Catholicism is growing there, for example. But it's difficult to think of a "way of looking at religious beliefs" as being any different from "a way of looking at religious NON-beliefs" eh? I'm not claiming it's organized with 'brick and mortar' churches, but it is indeed a "form of religious belief" exactly the same way as Catholicism is a "form of Christianity" ok? Non-belief is a type of belief after all. You can't not believe you don't believe in something that isn't real... oh wait, um, you know! ;-)
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Male 37,007
While it is a high-risk endeavour to protest ANYTHING in Chixa? This is still a fine example of how ATHEISM (the official religion of almost every communist nation in history) can and frequently is virtually identical to the religion it rejects. >>> Why "crack down" on other religions if you don't believe in anything? Because Atheists DO believe! It is a "philosophy" of religious belief which they believe in. Even Agnosticism is a belief: a belief that they don't believe in anything or are just not sure if they do or not. lolz! Agnosticism and also Atheism, look at 2:B ok? before the nit-pickers say the same stupid shit they always do: English! Words do have meaning!
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Male 14,778
It's not about Atheists, it's a political power play. If these people felt so passionately about Pokemon, the Chinese government would be burning them under a pyre of cards.
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Male 37,007
Quite correct Draculya. But the "excuse" or "justification" they use is State Enforced Atheism. And I'll bet a LOT of them actually believe it!
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Male 5,620
@Draculya - I do agree that it is more about politics; and less about religion.
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Male 5,633
Atheism is not a philosophy. It's a lack of belief in God. That's all. There are those who try to "spread the word" like those who do believe in God. That isn't a feature of atheism. That's a feature of people who feel that they must make others see things as they do. That's what sometimes makes it look like a religion, the fact that they're doing what religious people often do. If you believe and that makes you happy, good for you. If you don't and that makes you happy, good for you. Leave others alone.
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Male 37,007
No. Read the Dictionary broizfam. A lack of belief is a FORM of belief. You cannot believe that you believe nothing without believing in something. That is: you believe you have no beliefs! Simple. >>> ALL religion is a FORM of philosophy. You imagine atheists DON'T "spread the word"? huh! And for that matter, where does it say that ALL RELIGIONS EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY have to do that? PLENTY do no such thing! I studied this stuff, eh? Not every religion acts like Christians... religion existed BEFORE Christianity did ffs...
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Male 5,633
No. I don't believe in the existence of a god. That lack of belief is not a religion, it is not a philosophy. It is a lack of belief in a god. I do believe in the existence of Man, the proof being pretty much all around us in the form of visible living human beings. That, however is not a philosophy, it is an observance of my surroundings. As you say, "ALL religion is a FORM of philosophy." Philosophy, though, is not necessarily a form of religion, just as biology is a high school class but not all high school classes are biology. One does not necessarily equate to the other. Your comment 'You imagine atheists DON'T "spread the word"' is actually pretty much exactly the opposite of what I wrote. Go back and look, you'll see. But I do think that the vast majority of atheists simply quietly disbelieve, as I do, without trying to convince others.
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Male 196
Yes, English words do have meaning. Your problem is that you don't understand the meaning of those words. You either interpret them as it fits your agenda or pretend not to understand them. Either way, I got headache just reading this verbal diarrhea in your comment. I can answer you why Chinese dictators in power order crack-downs on western religion. Look at Vatican. Now look att Chinese Communist Party Central Headquarters. You see...one is a powerhouse where child rapist, science-deniers, warmongers and dogma-fanatics have built on gold stolen from South and Central Americas, feudal European slaves and Jews. It currently have in its power to crush political agendas, governments and even start wars. The other is a concrete building filled with yes-sayers and parasites of Chinese political elite who relay upon brute force to keep its people in line. They are 99% religious people as they attend religious holidays and visit religious objects (temples). Early revolutionary days where every member of the party pretended not to have any religious belief are long gone. So, you see...despite being in power right now, Chinese dictators are well aware the power of Christian(European/Western) church and are quenching any attempt to let them set foot in Chinese peoples heads and hearts. That's why they crack down on some demented lady in a church. You know that you are aphilatelist. You didn't know? Well, if you don't collect stamps then you are aphilatelist. Now, go find other aphilatelists and try to act as a group according to your philosophy of not collecting stamp. See how that works out for you. That how stupid you sound when you first suggest that lack of religious beliefs is a religion and then when you think that lack of something make people act as a group by default.
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Male 5,620
@srximus "That's why they crack down on some demented lady in a church." - Wow. Just, wow. I find your intolerance and hatred to be unbelievable. There are no words.
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Male 286
You know you have a good argument when the responder picks one (albeit not stated very sympathetically) sentence to attack. And they completely ignore the rest of the point made altogether. Well-stated @srximus
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Male 37,007
Or, pirhomaniak: or it's a long rambling collection of gibberish, nonsense and bigotry. Much of is self-refuting or just plain ignorant. That anyone bothered to try to reply is more than that idiot deserves, but Elkingo was quite polite, I think. :-)
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Male 5,620
@pirhomaniak - not stated sympathetically? To hell with political correctness, he worded it downright cruel, heartless, and asinine. If I make an argument for or against anything, and one of my statements is completely factually incorrect, that throws my entire argument. The same goes with this statement, he shows his absolute hatred and regard for specifically Christian human life by making his statement. It was as if he was arguing that her husband and herself got what they deserved - for devotion. To him, it makes them less of humans, who are "demented". To him, they got what they deserved. That type of argument is a slippery slope, and it is completely barbaric and, well, evil.
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Male 37,007
Isn't it amazing Elkingo? He's saying how wrong I am in one breath... and proving what I say to be true in the next. And he has NO idea why... I even linked the Dictionary for idiots like him! :-/
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Male 5,620
@5Cats - that is the most absurd logic I have ever heard. The average person doesn't understand, nor do they know about numismatics. That doesn't mean they have a belief system about collecting coins! The same goes with atheism - it is NOT a belief system. It isn't in the dictionary either, you are bending a definition to meet your narrative. By your ruling, every person on earth is an atheist - because even if they follow one faith, they are denying all the others. It is just an absurd postulate.
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Male 37,007
You've got the scale wrong Elkingo: Hobby is to Coins like Collecting is to Catholicism. Everyone knows coins exist, correct? We're talking here about the hobby. If one doesn't know if coins do exist or not?? Then he's a Coin Agnostic, also if he doesn't know if he will/does collect them or not. If he actively decides he will NOT collect coins he's a Coin Atheist. And yes, "not collecting coins" is valid way to describe his "hobby" regarding coins. :-P >>> I clearly and consistently say: Atheism is a FORM OF religious BELIEF because it absolutely is. EVERYONE has some belief on Spiritual (Faith) matters, there is no exception. Even if that "belief" is "I don't believe in God" it is a BELIEF about a matter of FAITH. It's IN THE DICTIONARY so I stand by my position (which you've not quite gotten right btw.) It is NOT a "lack of belief" that's agnosticism. Atheism is a DENIAL of a deity(s) existence . "2B: the doctrine that there is no deity." Doctrine Ok? Black and white from Merriam-Webster.
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Male 5,620
@5Cats - just to be clear, how wording was horrid. However, you are still completely and entirely incorrect regarding your summation of atheism being a "belief" or a "faith". I collect coins. Do you? Does that mean you have a hobby of "not-collecting-coins" if you do not? No? The same goes for religion. Atheism is merely the lack of a belief in a higher power. However, that statement is not entirely correct, as it is from the perspective of a believer. Atheism is decisively NOT a religion.
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Male 38,021
It was God's will.
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Male 5,620
Perhaps. Her death serves as a warning all across the world. Communism and it's little brother, socialism (and all variants - including democratic socialism) have no room to tolerate Christianity. Her death proves it.
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Male 1,423
yeah, that MUST be proof. Because no one ever died due to religious beliefs in non-Communist societies.....
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Male 5,620
@korahn - see below. Perfect example of the slippery slope.
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